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Cosmik de Bris

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PCP air-rifle law
« on: 04 October, 2010, 09:14:44 am »
Does this apply to anybody? If you read the whole police notice they exclude some low powered air-rifles but aren't exactly clear on what constitutes low power.


Arms (Restricted Weapons and Specialty Dangerous Airguns) Amendment Order 2010

1. Taking effect on 15 October 2010 this amendment to the Arms (Restricted Weapons and Specially Dangerous Air-guns) Order 1984 will declare pre-charged pneumatic (PCP) air rifles (excluding airguns used in airsoft and paintball sports) as a class of specially dangerous airgun which means that they will become subject to the same licensing regime and import controls as firearms [The definition of firearm in the Arms Act 1983 includes "any specially dangerous airgun”]

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Re: PCP air-rifle law
« Reply #1 on: 04 October, 2010, 02:13:36 pm »
The new legislation says:

“specified pre-charged pneumatic air rifles means pre-charged pneumatic air rifles that are not for use in airsoft or paintball sports.”

(http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2010/0308/latest/whole.html?search=ts_all%40act%40bill%40regulation_Arms_noresel&p=1)

Unfortunately this could be interpreted as to apply to all pre-charged air rifles, as there is no mention at all of an allowable power level.
Furthermore, I don't think the law makes a distinction between air rifles and air pistols, so in extremo this could be applied to the air pistols that are used for 10m air pistol competitions.

Ouch.


Cosmik de Bris

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Re: PCP air-rifle law
« Reply #2 on: 04 October, 2010, 04:25:17 pm »
Yeah, that's what the law says but the police have put out a pamphlet like the thumbhole stocks one. I believe that on this poster it says pistols are exempt. It also says that airsoft, paintball and some low powered air-rifles are exempt. It doesn't tell you how to determine whether your rifle is exempt or not. It's another of the police interpreting the law thing, like the stocks. I think the intention is to exempt target rifles. They also mention the dangerous semi-auto air-rifle, but there are only two that I know of around NZ. Look at 5 and 8.

Arms (Restricted Weapons and Specialty Dangerous Airguns) Amendment Order
                                                                 2010

1. Taking effect on 15 October 2010 this amendment to the Arms (Restricted Weapons and Specially Dangerous Air-guns) Order 1984 will declare pre-charged pneumatic (PCP) air rifles (excluding airguns used in airsoft and paintball sports) as a class of specially dangerous airgun which means that they will become subject to the same licensing regime and import controls as firearms [The definition of firearm in the Arms Act 1983 includes "any specially dangerous airgun”]

Implementation / enforcement

2. This means that people who possess a PCP air rifle (other than airguns used In airsoft and patntball sports) will be required to hold a firearms licence

3. Police will initially adopt an educative approach. Owners of PCP air rifles who do not have a firearms licence will be given three months (until 14 January 2011) to either:

• obtain a firearms licence (see http://www,policegovt.nz/service/firearms which sets out this process and cost fees will not be waived) or

dispose of the air rifle by either:

o selling or giving it to someone with a firearms licence (including a licensed dealer), or

o handing it in to Police (without compensation).

4. Target shooters who use PCP air rifles will need to either:

apply for a firearms licence, or

arrange for appropriate supervision, and storage.

Key Messages

5. PCP air rifles have gained popularity in New Zealand, because they are light, accurate and have senui-automatic capability. They are usually filled from an air reservoir, such as a diving cylinder, or by charging directly with a hand pump.

6. PCP air rifles are capable of causing serious injury or death. There have been instances of their fatal use by offenders including the murder of a police officer in 2008.

7. Classifying these air rifles as specially dangerous airguris will ensure that the airguns that can cause the greatest harm and those that are generally sought by the criminal community, are subject to the firearms licensing regime This means that owners must be fit and proper persons to own a PCP air rifle, have minimum storage arrangements and complete safety training This also allows Police to work with Customs to control the importation of PCP air rifles.

8. The Amendment excludes PCP air pistols and a wide range of other lower powered airguris, which do not cause the same problems, including airguns used for airsoft and painthall sports.

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Re: PCP air-rifle law
« Reply #3 on: 04 October, 2010, 05:19:36 pm »
Thanks a lot for the clarification.

Is this pamphlet available online from an official web site, or do they insist on killing trees to make this knowledge public?

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Re: PCP air-rifle law
« Reply #4 on: 04 October, 2010, 08:55:18 pm »
My understanding is that it is the .22cal (pellet) air rifle. that you have to "break in half " to load one pellet.

 I had one as a young fella and a pistol, that looked much like something you could use in ISSF it used a very very strong spring with a plunger in the butt to fire the pellet.

As far as BB guns paintball etc , shouldn't be affected.

As far as the police once again trying to make things the way they want it could be another MSSA fiasco.

Police don't make laws, they only enforce them :whisper:
« Last Edit: 04 October, 2010, 08:59:50 pm by Matt S »
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Cosmik de Bris

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« Reply #5 on: 05 October, 2010, 09:08:06 am »
My understanding is that it is the .22cal (pellet) air rifle. that you have to "break in half " to load one pellet.

No Matt, it's the PCPs the ones you pump up with (funnily enough) a pump, or use a dive bottle.

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« Reply #6 on: 05 October, 2010, 09:10:55 am »
Thanks a lot for the clarification.

Is this pamphlet available online from an official web site, or do they insist on killing trees to make this knowledge public?

I can't find it on the police website. Last time they also put the notice on TradeMe but I haven't looked there. I got the wording from a bloke on another forum but he is pretty reliable.

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« Reply #7 on: 05 October, 2010, 12:05:41 pm »
oh ok would had thought the one I have described (.22cal (pellet) air rifle. that you have to "break in half " to load one pellet.) Would had been more dangerous as I know they can be harmful as well.  :sorry: :surrender:


 
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« Reply #8 on: 05 October, 2010, 02:52:23 pm »
oh ok would had thought the one I have described (.22cal (pellet) air rifle. that you have to "break in half " to load one pellet.) Would had been more dangerous as I know they can be harmful as well.  :sorry: :surrender:


 

They're especially dangerous if you get your finger caught when you close the action.

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Re: PCP air-rifle law
« Reply #9 on: 06 October, 2010, 10:41:08 am »
oh ok would had thought the one I have described (.22cal (pellet) air rifle. that you have to "break in half " to load one pellet.) Would had been more dangerous as I know they can be harmful as well.  :sorry: :surrender:


 

They're especially dangerous if you get your finger caught when you close the action.



Looking at the velocities the break in half air rifles are generally more poerful than PCP versions.  And much cheaper as well.

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Re: PCP air-rifle law
« Reply #10 on: 06 October, 2010, 04:44:21 pm »
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« Reply #11 on: 06 October, 2010, 04:57:27 pm »

Looking at the velocities the break in half air rifles are generally more poerful than PCP versions.  And much cheaper as well.

Yes, but follow up shots are quite slow.

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Re: PCP air-rifle law
« Reply #12 on: 16 October, 2010, 12:39:40 pm »
Better not tell the here-today-gone-tomorrow politicians or the intellectually-challenged plods that PCP target air rifles have free-standing pistol grips...

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Re: PCP air-rifle law
« Reply #13 on: 16 October, 2010, 05:00:28 pm »
Yup,  and the FX Revolution and Monsoon are semi and hold 12 pellets. The law says rimfires can hold 15 all others 7, so the FXs are E-cat.

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